Date   

The Last Brew

Robert Tashjian
 

Das Brewsters,

 

This Friday is the last FFBC Das Brew Ride of the Summer. Come out and ride with us, or simply meet up with us after the ride for a cold one and snacks with your convivial bike buddies. We’ll meet at 5:45pm for a 6:00pm departure, back between 7 and 7:30 to start the final festivities, going until 8:30 or 9.  It’s looking to be warm on Friday, so it should be really pleasant out on the Das Brew ‘Al Fresco’ area. Right now the air quality is predicted to be in the good to low moderate range. There is a choice of two routes

 

“Right Turn Clyde”, which is a flatter (cooler) route (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27922960)

or

“Hills Backwards” which is a more challenging (much warmer) route (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27922999)

 

The choice is yours. Please print your own cuesheet or load the route on your gps. Should the weather or air quality take a significant turn for the worse, we’ll still be at Das Brew at 5:45 to mourn our inability to ride (eg., crying into our beers and feasting on snacks).

 

If you are not riding, or new to the club and want to meet some members, come on down to Das Brew around 7 or 7:30 and join us for the post ride festivities!

 

Rob

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Robert Tashjian

rob@...

 


Re: Tour de Fuzz reservation

Lilit Minasyan <lilushik73@...>
 

Thank you, everybody,
It was sold out!
Have a fun and safe ride!

On Monday, August 23, 2021, 04:23:06 PM PDT, Lilit Minasyan <lilushik73@...> wrote:


Hi FFBC members,
I can make it this year so if someone is interested I am selling my reservation and willing to pay a 15 $ transfer fee.

I have a 100-mile ride with the BBQ, and also the king and queen challenge.
I paid 124 $ and will sell it for 85$.
Please let me know if someone is interested.
Thank you,
Lilit


Tour de Fuzz reservation

Lilit Minasyan <lilushik73@...>
 

Hi FFBC members,
I can make it this year so if someone is interested I am selling my reservation and willing to pay a 15 $ transfer fee.

I have a 100-mile ride with the BBQ, and also the king and queen challenge.
I paid 124 $ and will sell it for 85$.
Please let me know if someone is interested.
Thank you,
Lilit


Redwood Canyon Golf Course to Moraga to Redwood Road.

paulmarty2@...
 

Please join us Saturday August 28 for our Redwood 
Canyon Golf Course to Moraga to Redwood Road 
ride. Directions and parking info is on the ride calendar. Meet at 8:00 for a 8:15 start.
We will stop at Starbucks for coffee at the Rossmoor Shopping Center.
Please download the Ride With GPS route or print out your own copy of the Route.
Please contact me to reserve a spot; but is not mandatory.
Paul Marty
(510) 378-0708
paulmarty2@...
Thanks


MMRR if ON!

Robert Tashjian
 

Weather is cool and the AQI looks as good as it has in a couple of weeks. MMRR is on, classic route:

              https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31759143

 

Rob

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Robert Tashjian

rob@...

 


Monday Morning Recovery Ride

Robert Tashjian
 

Monday Morning Recover’ers,

 

I will be leading the ride this Monday, Aug 23. We will recover on the tried and true recovery route with coffee at Panera, Pacific Commons. Meet across from Isherwood Staging Area at 8:30 for an 8:45 roll. Usual pickups at Paseo/Stevenson Chevron and at Paseo/Grimmer. As a reminder, we’re back in pre-pandemonium mode, so arrive early if you’re meeting at one of the pickup points. We’ll stop at the pickup points only long enough to sign in anyone there, then roll.

 

Hope to see you there,

Rob

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Robert Tashjian

rob@...

 


Schedule Change

Ken Goldman
 

After getting rained out yesterday (yes, really) we have rescheduled the Adventure Ride-Gizdich Ranch for next Sunday and we have moved the start time back to 9:30 to give folks more time to get there.

Thank you to all the hardy cyclists that showed up, now let’s do it again.

Ken


Das Brew ride cancelled tonight

Robert Tashjian
 

Das Brewsters,

 

The air quality is deteriorating and projected to head upwards around 100, so I’m calling off the ride. It’s now a show & go, per club rules. Diana & I will be at Das Brew at 6(ish) for a beer to cry in and hopefully some FFBC company to share our pain.

 

Rob

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Robert Tashjian

rob@...

 


Das Brew Ride #3

Robert Tashjian
 

Das Brew Riders,

 

It looks like the air quality will be in the moderate range tomorrow, so the ride, for now, is on. The ride is an easy ride around central Fremont, called “Right Hand Clyde”, consisting of all right hand turns. The RWGPS route is here:

              https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27922960

 

I’ll make the final call by 3pm Friday as to whether the FriYay! Das Brew ride is on. Assuming the ride is on, we’ll meet at 5:45 for a 6pm ride time.

 

As always, if you can’t make the ride, please join us for the after ride festivities, snacks & beer. We should return to Das Brew between 7:00 and 7:30pm. If the ride is cancelled, Diana and I will still be there by 7pm to cry in our beer about not riding.

 

Rob

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Robert Tashjian

rob@...

 


Re: Adventure Ride-Gizdich Ranch

David Walker
 

And just a reminder for everybody, this is not a “no drop” ride. From the ride description on the web site:

Riders of all abilities are welcome, but if you are a slower cyclist you should not expect the group to wait more than ten minutes for you. Every rider should be self-sufficient and be prepared to self-navigate the route.

We’ll wait about 10 minutes from the median speed. I just wanted to make sure everyone knew this beforehand.

It’s a great route and (hopefully) better air quality on the coast. Make certain that you check the info groups.io mail list before departing for Seaside. If the air quality worsens and we need to cancel the ride, the notice will be there.

Hope to see y’all Saturday!

David Walker



On Thu, Aug 19 2021 at 16:10, Ken Goldman <ken.goldman@...> wrote:
Here is a fun and interesting ride for Saturday which includes a chance to have fresh made pie with your lunch.

We suggest you park on Seascape Blvd. near Racquet Landing. Seascape Village Plaza has requested that cyclists not park in their lot. The parking lot for Seascape Sports Club is not a public lot.

We will do the ride sign-in in the Seascape Village parking lot alongside Racquet Landing. We will be close to the restrooms. After you unload your bike, ride over there to sign-in and hear David’s preride speech.

9:00am
 Adventure Ride-Gizdich Ranch
WhenSat, 21 August, 9am – 1pm
WhereSeascape Blvd and Racquet Landing in Seascape Village, Rio Del Mar (map)
DescriptionLength: 40 miles; Elevation: 2300 feet;
Terrain: 3 Pace: T,M

Description: Join David and Ken for a pleasant ride from the beach to Gizdich Ranch ( www.gizdich-ranch.com/pie-shop-deli ) for lunch and/or fresh fruit (Olalliebery?) pie. Recent article about Gizdich:
https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/Gizdich-Ranch-farm-fruit-pie-California-summer-16390614.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-CP-Spotlight
We'll make a quick stop at the U.S. Palo Alto concrete ship at it's pier before heading inland to get our fruit pie. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Palo_Alto

Please print out your own route sheet or load the route onto your GPS or phone.

Riders of all abilities are welcome, but if you are a slower cyclist you should not expect the group to wait more than ten minutes for you. Every rider should be self-sufficient and be prepared to self-navigate the route.

Route sheet is attached.

RidewithGPS URL: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/37025375?beta=false

Rain, significant chance of rain or poor riding condition cancels. A ride cancellation email will be posted to "https://ffbc.groups.io/g/info/topics" by the ride leader on the morning of the ride if it is being cancelled (no email means the ride is on). If you are unsure of the ride status, call or text ride leader on the morning of the ride. Note ride end time is a rough estimate.

 Ken Goldman ken.goldman@comcast.net 510-378-5027
 David Walker dbwalker0min@gmail.com 510-468-4454





Ken


Adventure Ride-Gizdich Ranch

Ken Goldman
 

Here is a fun and interesting ride for Saturday which includes a chance to have fresh made pie with your lunch.

We suggest you park on Seascape Blvd. near Racquet Landing. Seascape Village Plaza has requested that cyclists not park in their lot. The parking lot for Seascape Sports Club is not a public lot.

We will do the ride sign-in in the Seascape Village parking lot alongside Racquet Landing. We will be close to the restrooms. After you unload your bike, ride over there to sign-in and hear David’s preride speech.

9:00am
 Adventure Ride-Gizdich Ranch
WhenSat, 21 August, 9am – 1pm
WhereSeascape Blvd and Racquet Landing in Seascape Village, Rio Del Mar (map)
DescriptionLength: 40 miles; Elevation: 2300 feet;
Terrain: 3 Pace: T,M

Description: Join David and Ken for a pleasant ride from the beach to Gizdich Ranch ( www.gizdich-ranch.com/pie-shop-deli ) for lunch and/or fresh fruit (Olalliebery?) pie. Recent article about Gizdich:
https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/Gizdich-Ranch-farm-fruit-pie-California-summer-16390614.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-CP-Spotlight
We'll make a quick stop at the U.S. Palo Alto concrete ship at it's pier before heading inland to get our fruit pie. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Palo_Alto

Please print out your own route sheet or load the route onto your GPS or phone.

Riders of all abilities are welcome, but if you are a slower cyclist you should not expect the group to wait more than ten minutes for you. Every rider should be self-sufficient and be prepared to self-navigate the route.

Route sheet is attached.

RidewithGPS URL: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/37025375?beta=false

Rain, significant chance of rain or poor riding condition cancels. A ride cancellation email will be posted to "https://ffbc.groups.io/g/info/topics" by the ride leader on the morning of the ride if it is being cancelled (no email means the ride is on). If you are unsure of the ride status, call or text ride leader on the morning of the ride. Note ride end time is a rough estimate.

 Ken Goldman ken.goldman@comcast.net 510-378-5027
 David Walker dbwalker0min@gmail.com 510-468-4454





Ken


From Randy Fewel

Randy Fewel
 

Hello,
Do you have a moment I have a request I need you to handle for me.
I am currently busy, no calls so just reply to my email.

Thanks,

Randy


TMCR - Route

Lori Sommer
 


Hello,

The air quality is currently cruddy here in the Fremont area, so I’m a bit up in the air about riding tomorrow. If I cancel (automatically turns into a show and go) I will do so by 7AM, send an email and post it in the calendar. 

This week we will meet at Sprouts and may or may not climb a couple of hills close to home, Appian and Stenhammer (both optional).  Mission Coffee will be our stop. Please download the route on ridewithgps or print the attached route sheet.  I hope you can join me.

Lori


Thursday, 19 August
08:30
 Thursday Morning Coffee Ride From Sprouts
WhenThu, 19 August, 08:30 – 12:30
WhereSprouts Farmers Market, 6399 Jarvis Ave, Newark, CA 94560, USA (map)
DescriptionLength: 30 miles 857' elevation
Terrain: 2, 3; Pace: T, M

SPECIFIC ROUTE: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/37121095?beta=false
We will climb an old nemesis, Appian Way then on to a friendlier climb, Stennhammer. Both climbs are optional.  Mission Coffee is our stop.  Download the ridewithgps route or print the attached pdf route sheet located at the bottom of this post.

Wear a FFBC club jersey and let's stay close to home. We will meet at Sprouts located in the former Raley's Shopping Center (6399 Jarvis Ave, Newark). 

The specific route for this third Thursday of the month repeating ride will be posted here (with an attachment for you to print) as well as to the FFBC email groups (https://ffbc.groups.io/g/info/topics ) once it is selected.  This is usually done a day or maybe two days before the ride.  Sometimes we ride without route sheets so we regroup as necessary and no one is left behind. 

We will mainly stay in Fremont but ride through Newark and sometimes Union City and Milpitas on occasion. Sometimes the climbing is optional. We always stop for coffee ($) and riders are welcome to head back on their own. 

Extreme temperatures, park closure, construction, rain, poor air quality or the whim of the ride leader may modify or cancel the route. Check here for updates: info@ffbc.groups.io

Lori Sommer lorimsommer@... 510-693-8624


Re: 1 Ticket Available - Tour de Fuzz

Lori Sommer
 

The ticket has been claimed!
Thanks,
Lori

On Aug 16, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Lori Sommer <lorimsommer@...> wrote:


Hello FFBC Members,

Dave Harcos has one 35mi ticket to sell to the first person to respond to this email (please respond directly to me as to not inundate the club with replies).  The cost is the original ticket price of $79 (payable to Dave) plus $15 to transfer plus $10 if you want to do the metric/$20 if you want the full century (payable at registration).  There are one or two people looking for a roommate and an offer to carpool (same day up and back)  if you're interested or of course you can get your own hotel room.  

We have a HUGE group from FFBC this year, 54 at the last count!

Lori Sommer


1 Ticket Available - Tour de Fuzz

Lori Sommer
 

Hello FFBC Members,

Dave Harcos has one 35mi ticket to sell to the first person to respond to this email (please respond directly to me as to not inundate the club with replies).  The cost is the original ticket price of $79 (payable to Dave) plus $15 to transfer plus $10 if you want to do the metric/$20 if you want the full century (payable at registration).  There are one or two people looking for a roommate and an offer to carpool (same day up and back)  if you're interested or of course you can get your own hotel room.  

We have a HUGE group from FFBC this year, 54 at the last count!

Lori Sommer


8/16/21 MMRR route

mbrasseur00
 

The route/coffee stop for Aug 16th MMRR will be to Panera at 1st Street. Please see the rdewithgps route in the ride calendar listing.

See you in the morning,
Mike and Louis


Re: Wide Corners at Walnut

Tim OHara
 

Thank you all for your concerns and comments.  Just to reiterate, in the short term at least, please be careful at the intersection of Paseo Padre and Walnut. 

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 1:52 PM Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
Yes, I’ve noticed the traffic volume on Walnut is pretty light. It’s less of a speedway than it used to be.

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 1:37 PM Gayle Tupper <gayletupper@...> wrote:
Slowing traffic may be an explicit goal, but what about discouraging traffic?  I live east of Mission between Mowry and Walnut, and now avoid driving on Walnut due to the new bike lanes and particularly the bulb-outs at the intersections.  It’s really an unpleasant drive.

I also avoid Walnut as a cyclist.  The eastbound lanes have dappled light from the trees, the lane goes from raised/along the sidewalk, to finding the way through the intersection, and back to the next shade-hidden path.  The westbound lane is easily confused between bike lane and sidewalk, and figuring out where to be isn’t worth it.

I hope that the City is continuing to study the impacts and input from the Walnut construction before expanding this type of bicycle access elsewhere in Fremont.  It would be tremendously expensive (and frustrating!) to realize later that some elements of this construction do not work well here.

On a related note, from what I can tell, the green paint used here and elsewhere, while helpful visually, is also acrylic, which is a type of plastic,  As that plastic degrades, it will contribute more micro plastics to the stormwater system.  Does the City of Fremont have storm drain inlet treatment in all areas where these lanes will be releasing pollutants?  Are the City of Fremont’s stormwater staff aware of this and working on minimizing the release of these pollutants?  Who should we contact about this?

Gayle Tupper

On Aug 13, 2021, at 12:08 PM, mdavis94536 <mark@...> wrote:

It should be noted (as perhaps some are implying) that slowing down traffic is an explicit goal.

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 10:29 AM Marie Hughes <macmadame@...> wrote:
The NextDoor complaints? They make people slow down. Apparently, they don’t like that. :D

There are also comments as to how the streets are going to be kept clean now as noted here.

I’m not a fan of them, myself, but for other reasons. They make it harder to see cyclists in the bike lane when I’m driving and also I feel trapped when I’m riding there. 

Marie

On Aug 13, 2021, at 9:23 AM, vbacon@... wrote:

The complaints about the bollards are so absurd. Do they ruin the view of the lovely asphalt?
 
Vinnie Bacon
p: 510-796-8870
 
From: Marie Hughes <macmadame@...> 
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 9:16 AM
To: Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...>
Cc: Michael Graff <michael.graff@...>; Andrew Sass <andrew.sass@...>; FFBC IO List <info@ffbc.groups.io>; Greg Vicksell <vicksell@...>; Tim OHara <timorides2@...>; Vinnie Bacon <vbacon@...>; hlarsen@...
Subject: Re: [public info] Wide Corners at Walnut
 
The green bollards aren’t popular with the motorist who post on NextDoor. They bitch about them constantly!
 
Marie


On Aug 13, 2021, at 3:09 AM, Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...> wrote:
 
The green bollards are popular with everyone as far as I know.
 
As for a solution for avid cyclists on Walnut - it already exists: ride in the car lane like we do on every other road without a shoulder. I say this somewhat facetiously, but I've actually had people ride with me on the road while I'm on the path while we held a conversation. I can't say I recommend it.
 
Just like an otherwise safe highway isn't safe for a car going 150mph, the sharper turns on Walnut are designed for speeds slower than we might do otherwise. I think more can be done to slow cars down as they turn, either with signage or some traffic engineering magic like rumble strips or narrower lanes or something like that.

 

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 23:06 Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
We already have a full-width trail on both sides of Walnut. But it’s split into a bike half and a ped half. It was a noble idea, but it doesn’t work as well as one wide path. (I’m guessing the existing trees were a constraint in some sections.)
 
Meanwhile, we still need a cheap/easy solution for restoring “avid” cycling to Walnut. I saw a vote against sharrows, so it sounds like converting the #2 lane into a traditional Class II bike lane would be preferred.
 
How do people feel about the green plastic bollards? Is that usable for faster cycling, or is that too constraining?
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 9:07 PM Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...> wrote:
Michael, you are totally right that just making a bunch of rules will not be effective in separating bikes and pedestrians. However, I think the only reason the Alameda Creek Trail works where it does is because there are no intersections with roads. An Alameda Creek–width trail on both sides of Walnut would be great, but likely unfeasible. If people are complaining about these new intersections now, just wait until there is a full-width trail that has on- and off-ramps at every intersection. At that point it would just be easier to close Walnut to cars altogether... but I digress.
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 13:13 Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
Your sister sounds like the ideal customer for the new bikeways.
 
Rather than treating bike-ped mixing as a problem on the side paths, we should expect it and design for it. Adding more rules, and attempting to separate bikes and peds, is futile. Especially at the intersections.
 
Instead of two narrow adjacent crosswalks, make one big one. Instead of a narrow sidewalk + narrow side path, make one wide one. Instead of hoping for one-way bike traffic, assume two-way traffic.
 
In other words, make Walnut work more like the Alameda Creek Trail. One wide space (on each side of the road) that everybody negotiates with each other.
 
Oh, and can some of the trees be trimmed? I keep having to duck under the low hanging branches.
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 12:08 PM Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...> wrote:
Michael, you make great points. 
 
My 13-year-old sister just started riding bikes and will be riding to high school in a few weeks. Our route is from Mission/Walnut all the way down Walnut to Fremont Blvd, then north on Fremont to Washington High School. 
 
My sister averages around 8-10 mph. She absolutely does not feel safe riding on unprotected bike lanes. The only reason she will be riding to school this year is because of the new bike path on Walnut and the bollard-protected bike lanes everywhere else she is riding. 
 
I know the club riders are much faster on average, but I think it is important to realize that that bike path and the new intersections weren't built for the "avid cyclist." If we want cycling to grow and make Fremont less car-centric, this is a sacrifice we must be willing to make. There are still plenty of alternate routes that do not have any of these new designs.
 
I agree that pedestrians on the bike path and in the intersections are a problem. I think more signage making clear where each should go would help, as well as some sort of separators (the small white flexible bollards come to mind). 
 
What does confuse me is the new intersections design popping up without the accompanying bike paths around them, such as at Fremont/Stevenson and Fremont/Mowry. Hopefully the surrounding infrastructure will be built shortly after, otherwise I do not see the purpose.
 
Respectfully,
Daniel
 
 
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 11:45 Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
The new side paths and intersections are designed for slower cycling, 10-12 mph max. If I rIde them at that speed, I can generally avoid right-hook and drive-out collisions with motorists, and conflicts with pedestrians.
 
Faster than that, we should use the roadway.
 
Another thing I've noticed on Walnut, and at the fancy new intersections, is that bikes and peds don't strictly follow the lines painted for them. Bikes and peds use each other's crosswalks, and travel in both directions on both the sidewalk and side path. If we're going to build more of these, we might as well accept that and make them Class I multi-use paths. The attempts at bike-ped separation don't work.
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 11:25 AM Greg Vicksell <vicksell@...> wrote:
I was really surprised when Fremont made these changes. As already stated, you are not required to take the path up onto the islands. You still have the right to remain on the road like the motor vehicles. The other aspect of this is if you come down the path on Walnut from Mission towards Fremont you are going to be crossing a lot of driveways and cars coming out of the parking lots probably aren't going to be looking for you. I find it safer to stay on the road.

Greg Vicksell

On 8/12/2021 11:06 AM, Andrew Sass via groups.io wrote:
Three more near misses that I have seen (one being me, even with a bright rear light and front light with side flashers). �I have also seen one with a car leaving that apartment complex and pulling up to where they can see oncoming traffic and almost hitting a bike, and a car/bus near miss as the bus just stops in the street as there is no pullout for the bus stop.
 
The problem is worst when the light is green to begin with. �The cyclist pulls up onto the sidewalk and the car does not expect them to pop out again when the car turns. �It is safer for cyclists just to go straight and take the lane when on Paseo. �At least they are seen. �It would be much better if the curb was back 4 feet to safely go straight
 
While I am venting, those islands that are in the bike lane on Washington Blvd are also an accident waiting to happen. �Cyclists, even novice ones travel fast on the downhill and hitting those are certain broken bones, or worse.
 
There should be a moratorium on any more street changes until some statistics and feedback are examined
 
Andy Sass
 
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 09:54:49 AM PDT, Vinnie Bacon <vbacon@...> wrote: 
 
 
You should send this to Hans Larsen at Fremont�s DPW. Hans is very good with bike issues but he�s not perfect. I was just commenting last night that I don�t like how bikes go up on the sidewalk on Walnut.
�
Another big issue is the nice wide right turn lanes for bikes look like they could be for cars. The initial design at Civic Center / BART Way was like that, and the City had to redo it. I saw the new configuration at Mowry / Fremont and my first thought was those right turn lanes would be too small for a lot of vehicles, not even realizing they are not for vehicles. Motorists will be confused too unless they paint them bright green.
�
Vinnie Bacon
�
From: info@ffbc.groups.io <info@ffbc.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim OHara
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 9:32 AM
To: info@ffbc.groups.io
Subject: [public info] Wide Corners at Walnut
�
All,
�
Please be careful when crossing Walnut after going up the green bike path on the sidewalk.� On three occasions now I have almost seen bike riders get hit when they have the green light and they advance just as a car sweeps around�the wide corner.� I don't really blame the cars, because it is just sooo weird, that the�corner juts�out so far.� I just don't want anybody getting hurt.� So be careful and watch�for the cars coming around the corner.�
�
Tim
 
 
 
 
 
 
 





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Mark


Re: Wide Corners at Walnut

mdavis94536
 

I think discouraging traffic is maybe a secondary goal; the whole point is to make it safer for cyclists and pedestrians, so reducing volume is probably also important for that purpose.

I'm not defending the idea, just pointing this out.

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 1:37 PM Gayle Tupper <gayletupper@...> wrote:
Slowing traffic may be an explicit goal, but what about discouraging traffic?  I live east of Mission between Mowry and Walnut, and now avoid driving on Walnut due to the new bike lanes and particularly the bulb-outs at the intersections.  It’s really an unpleasant drive.

I also avoid Walnut as a cyclist.  The eastbound lanes have dappled light from the trees, the lane goes from raised/along the sidewalk, to finding the way through the intersection, and back to the next shade-hidden path.  The westbound lane is easily confused between bike lane and sidewalk, and figuring out where to be isn’t worth it.

I hope that the City is continuing to study the impacts and input from the Walnut construction before expanding this type of bicycle access elsewhere in Fremont.  It would be tremendously expensive (and frustrating!) to realize later that some elements of this construction do not work well here.

On a related note, from what I can tell, the green paint used here and elsewhere, while helpful visually, is also acrylic, which is a type of plastic,  As that plastic degrades, it will contribute more micro plastics to the stormwater system.  Does the City of Fremont have storm drain inlet treatment in all areas where these lanes will be releasing pollutants?  Are the City of Fremont’s stormwater staff aware of this and working on minimizing the release of these pollutants?  Who should we contact about this?

Gayle Tupper

On Aug 13, 2021, at 12:08 PM, mdavis94536 <mark@...> wrote:

It should be noted (as perhaps some are implying) that slowing down traffic is an explicit goal.

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 10:29 AM Marie Hughes <macmadame@...> wrote:
The NextDoor complaints? They make people slow down. Apparently, they don’t like that. :D

There are also comments as to how the streets are going to be kept clean now as noted here.

I’m not a fan of them, myself, but for other reasons. They make it harder to see cyclists in the bike lane when I’m driving and also I feel trapped when I’m riding there. 

Marie

On Aug 13, 2021, at 9:23 AM, vbacon@... wrote:

The complaints about the bollards are so absurd. Do they ruin the view of the lovely asphalt?
 
Vinnie Bacon
p: 510-796-8870
 
From: Marie Hughes <macmadame@...> 
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 9:16 AM
To: Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...>
Cc: Michael Graff <michael.graff@...>; Andrew Sass <andrew.sass@...>; FFBC IO List <info@ffbc.groups.io>; Greg Vicksell <vicksell@...>; Tim OHara <timorides2@...>; Vinnie Bacon <vbacon@...>; hlarsen@...
Subject: Re: [public info] Wide Corners at Walnut
 
The green bollards aren’t popular with the motorist who post on NextDoor. They bitch about them constantly!
 
Marie


On Aug 13, 2021, at 3:09 AM, Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...> wrote:
 
The green bollards are popular with everyone as far as I know.
 
As for a solution for avid cyclists on Walnut - it already exists: ride in the car lane like we do on every other road without a shoulder. I say this somewhat facetiously, but I've actually had people ride with me on the road while I'm on the path while we held a conversation. I can't say I recommend it.
 
Just like an otherwise safe highway isn't safe for a car going 150mph, the sharper turns on Walnut are designed for speeds slower than we might do otherwise. I think more can be done to slow cars down as they turn, either with signage or some traffic engineering magic like rumble strips or narrower lanes or something like that.

 

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 23:06 Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
We already have a full-width trail on both sides of Walnut. But it’s split into a bike half and a ped half. It was a noble idea, but it doesn’t work as well as one wide path. (I’m guessing the existing trees were a constraint in some sections.)
 
Meanwhile, we still need a cheap/easy solution for restoring “avid” cycling to Walnut. I saw a vote against sharrows, so it sounds like converting the #2 lane into a traditional Class II bike lane would be preferred.
 
How do people feel about the green plastic bollards? Is that usable for faster cycling, or is that too constraining?
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 9:07 PM Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...> wrote:
Michael, you are totally right that just making a bunch of rules will not be effective in separating bikes and pedestrians. However, I think the only reason the Alameda Creek Trail works where it does is because there are no intersections with roads. An Alameda Creek–width trail on both sides of Walnut would be great, but likely unfeasible. If people are complaining about these new intersections now, just wait until there is a full-width trail that has on- and off-ramps at every intersection. At that point it would just be easier to close Walnut to cars altogether... but I digress.
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 13:13 Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
Your sister sounds like the ideal customer for the new bikeways.
 
Rather than treating bike-ped mixing as a problem on the side paths, we should expect it and design for it. Adding more rules, and attempting to separate bikes and peds, is futile. Especially at the intersections.
 
Instead of two narrow adjacent crosswalks, make one big one. Instead of a narrow sidewalk + narrow side path, make one wide one. Instead of hoping for one-way bike traffic, assume two-way traffic.
 
In other words, make Walnut work more like the Alameda Creek Trail. One wide space (on each side of the road) that everybody negotiates with each other.
 
Oh, and can some of the trees be trimmed? I keep having to duck under the low hanging branches.
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 12:08 PM Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...> wrote:
Michael, you make great points. 
 
My 13-year-old sister just started riding bikes and will be riding to high school in a few weeks. Our route is from Mission/Walnut all the way down Walnut to Fremont Blvd, then north on Fremont to Washington High School. 
 
My sister averages around 8-10 mph. She absolutely does not feel safe riding on unprotected bike lanes. The only reason she will be riding to school this year is because of the new bike path on Walnut and the bollard-protected bike lanes everywhere else she is riding. 
 
I know the club riders are much faster on average, but I think it is important to realize that that bike path and the new intersections weren't built for the "avid cyclist." If we want cycling to grow and make Fremont less car-centric, this is a sacrifice we must be willing to make. There are still plenty of alternate routes that do not have any of these new designs.
 
I agree that pedestrians on the bike path and in the intersections are a problem. I think more signage making clear where each should go would help, as well as some sort of separators (the small white flexible bollards come to mind). 
 
What does confuse me is the new intersections design popping up without the accompanying bike paths around them, such as at Fremont/Stevenson and Fremont/Mowry. Hopefully the surrounding infrastructure will be built shortly after, otherwise I do not see the purpose.
 
Respectfully,
Daniel
 
 
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 11:45 Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
The new side paths and intersections are designed for slower cycling, 10-12 mph max. If I rIde them at that speed, I can generally avoid right-hook and drive-out collisions with motorists, and conflicts with pedestrians.
 
Faster than that, we should use the roadway.
 
Another thing I've noticed on Walnut, and at the fancy new intersections, is that bikes and peds don't strictly follow the lines painted for them. Bikes and peds use each other's crosswalks, and travel in both directions on both the sidewalk and side path. If we're going to build more of these, we might as well accept that and make them Class I multi-use paths. The attempts at bike-ped separation don't work.
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 11:25 AM Greg Vicksell <vicksell@...> wrote:
I was really surprised when Fremont made these changes. As already stated, you are not required to take the path up onto the islands. You still have the right to remain on the road like the motor vehicles. The other aspect of this is if you come down the path on Walnut from Mission towards Fremont you are going to be crossing a lot of driveways and cars coming out of the parking lots probably aren't going to be looking for you. I find it safer to stay on the road.

Greg Vicksell

On 8/12/2021 11:06 AM, Andrew Sass via groups.io wrote:
Three more near misses that I have seen (one being me, even with a bright rear light and front light with side flashers). �I have also seen one with a car leaving that apartment complex and pulling up to where they can see oncoming traffic and almost hitting a bike, and a car/bus near miss as the bus just stops in the street as there is no pullout for the bus stop.
 
The problem is worst when the light is green to begin with. �The cyclist pulls up onto the sidewalk and the car does not expect them to pop out again when the car turns. �It is safer for cyclists just to go straight and take the lane when on Paseo. �At least they are seen. �It would be much better if the curb was back 4 feet to safely go straight
 
While I am venting, those islands that are in the bike lane on Washington Blvd are also an accident waiting to happen. �Cyclists, even novice ones travel fast on the downhill and hitting those are certain broken bones, or worse.
 
There should be a moratorium on any more street changes until some statistics and feedback are examined
 
Andy Sass
 
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 09:54:49 AM PDT, Vinnie Bacon <vbacon@...> wrote: 
 
 
You should send this to Hans Larsen at Fremont�s DPW. Hans is very good with bike issues but he�s not perfect. I was just commenting last night that I don�t like how bikes go up on the sidewalk on Walnut.
�
Another big issue is the nice wide right turn lanes for bikes look like they could be for cars. The initial design at Civic Center / BART Way was like that, and the City had to redo it. I saw the new configuration at Mowry / Fremont and my first thought was those right turn lanes would be too small for a lot of vehicles, not even realizing they are not for vehicles. Motorists will be confused too unless they paint them bright green.
�
Vinnie Bacon
�
From: info@ffbc.groups.io <info@ffbc.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim OHara
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 9:32 AM
To: info@ffbc.groups.io
Subject: [public info] Wide Corners at Walnut
�
All,
�
Please be careful when crossing Walnut after going up the green bike path on the sidewalk.� On three occasions now I have almost seen bike riders get hit when they have the green light and they advance just as a car sweeps around�the wide corner.� I don't really blame the cars, because it is just sooo weird, that the�corner juts�out so far.� I just don't want anybody getting hurt.� So be careful and watch�for the cars coming around the corner.�
�
Tim
 
 
 
 
 
 
 





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Mark



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Mark


Re: Wide Corners at Walnut

Michael Graff
 

Yes, I’ve noticed the traffic volume on Walnut is pretty light. It’s less of a speedway than it used to be.

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 1:37 PM Gayle Tupper <gayletupper@...> wrote:
Slowing traffic may be an explicit goal, but what about discouraging traffic?  I live east of Mission between Mowry and Walnut, and now avoid driving on Walnut due to the new bike lanes and particularly the bulb-outs at the intersections.  It’s really an unpleasant drive.

I also avoid Walnut as a cyclist.  The eastbound lanes have dappled light from the trees, the lane goes from raised/along the sidewalk, to finding the way through the intersection, and back to the next shade-hidden path.  The westbound lane is easily confused between bike lane and sidewalk, and figuring out where to be isn’t worth it.

I hope that the City is continuing to study the impacts and input from the Walnut construction before expanding this type of bicycle access elsewhere in Fremont.  It would be tremendously expensive (and frustrating!) to realize later that some elements of this construction do not work well here.

On a related note, from what I can tell, the green paint used here and elsewhere, while helpful visually, is also acrylic, which is a type of plastic,  As that plastic degrades, it will contribute more micro plastics to the stormwater system.  Does the City of Fremont have storm drain inlet treatment in all areas where these lanes will be releasing pollutants?  Are the City of Fremont’s stormwater staff aware of this and working on minimizing the release of these pollutants?  Who should we contact about this?

Gayle Tupper

On Aug 13, 2021, at 12:08 PM, mdavis94536 <mark@...> wrote:

It should be noted (as perhaps some are implying) that slowing down traffic is an explicit goal.

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 10:29 AM Marie Hughes <macmadame@...> wrote:
The NextDoor complaints? They make people slow down. Apparently, they don’t like that. :D

There are also comments as to how the streets are going to be kept clean now as noted here.

I’m not a fan of them, myself, but for other reasons. They make it harder to see cyclists in the bike lane when I’m driving and also I feel trapped when I’m riding there. 

Marie

On Aug 13, 2021, at 9:23 AM, vbacon@... wrote:

The complaints about the bollards are so absurd. Do they ruin the view of the lovely asphalt?
 
Vinnie Bacon
p: 510-796-8870
 
From: Marie Hughes <macmadame@...> 
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 9:16 AM
To: Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...>
Cc: Michael Graff <michael.graff@...>; Andrew Sass <andrew.sass@...>; FFBC IO List <info@ffbc.groups.io>; Greg Vicksell <vicksell@...>; Tim OHara <timorides2@...>; Vinnie Bacon <vbacon@...>; hlarsen@...
Subject: Re: [public info] Wide Corners at Walnut
 
The green bollards aren’t popular with the motorist who post on NextDoor. They bitch about them constantly!
 
Marie


On Aug 13, 2021, at 3:09 AM, Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...> wrote:
 
The green bollards are popular with everyone as far as I know.
 
As for a solution for avid cyclists on Walnut - it already exists: ride in the car lane like we do on every other road without a shoulder. I say this somewhat facetiously, but I've actually had people ride with me on the road while I'm on the path while we held a conversation. I can't say I recommend it.
 
Just like an otherwise safe highway isn't safe for a car going 150mph, the sharper turns on Walnut are designed for speeds slower than we might do otherwise. I think more can be done to slow cars down as they turn, either with signage or some traffic engineering magic like rumble strips or narrower lanes or something like that.

 

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 23:06 Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
We already have a full-width trail on both sides of Walnut. But it’s split into a bike half and a ped half. It was a noble idea, but it doesn’t work as well as one wide path. (I’m guessing the existing trees were a constraint in some sections.)
 
Meanwhile, we still need a cheap/easy solution for restoring “avid” cycling to Walnut. I saw a vote against sharrows, so it sounds like converting the #2 lane into a traditional Class II bike lane would be preferred.
 
How do people feel about the green plastic bollards? Is that usable for faster cycling, or is that too constraining?
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 9:07 PM Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...> wrote:
Michael, you are totally right that just making a bunch of rules will not be effective in separating bikes and pedestrians. However, I think the only reason the Alameda Creek Trail works where it does is because there are no intersections with roads. An Alameda Creek–width trail on both sides of Walnut would be great, but likely unfeasible. If people are complaining about these new intersections now, just wait until there is a full-width trail that has on- and off-ramps at every intersection. At that point it would just be easier to close Walnut to cars altogether... but I digress.
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 13:13 Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
Your sister sounds like the ideal customer for the new bikeways.
 
Rather than treating bike-ped mixing as a problem on the side paths, we should expect it and design for it. Adding more rules, and attempting to separate bikes and peds, is futile. Especially at the intersections.
 
Instead of two narrow adjacent crosswalks, make one big one. Instead of a narrow sidewalk + narrow side path, make one wide one. Instead of hoping for one-way bike traffic, assume two-way traffic.
 
In other words, make Walnut work more like the Alameda Creek Trail. One wide space (on each side of the road) that everybody negotiates with each other.
 
Oh, and can some of the trees be trimmed? I keep having to duck under the low hanging branches.
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 12:08 PM Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...> wrote:
Michael, you make great points. 
 
My 13-year-old sister just started riding bikes and will be riding to high school in a few weeks. Our route is from Mission/Walnut all the way down Walnut to Fremont Blvd, then north on Fremont to Washington High School. 
 
My sister averages around 8-10 mph. She absolutely does not feel safe riding on unprotected bike lanes. The only reason she will be riding to school this year is because of the new bike path on Walnut and the bollard-protected bike lanes everywhere else she is riding. 
 
I know the club riders are much faster on average, but I think it is important to realize that that bike path and the new intersections weren't built for the "avid cyclist." If we want cycling to grow and make Fremont less car-centric, this is a sacrifice we must be willing to make. There are still plenty of alternate routes that do not have any of these new designs.
 
I agree that pedestrians on the bike path and in the intersections are a problem. I think more signage making clear where each should go would help, as well as some sort of separators (the small white flexible bollards come to mind). 
 
What does confuse me is the new intersections design popping up without the accompanying bike paths around them, such as at Fremont/Stevenson and Fremont/Mowry. Hopefully the surrounding infrastructure will be built shortly after, otherwise I do not see the purpose.
 
Respectfully,
Daniel
 
 
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 11:45 Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
The new side paths and intersections are designed for slower cycling, 10-12 mph max. If I rIde them at that speed, I can generally avoid right-hook and drive-out collisions with motorists, and conflicts with pedestrians.
 
Faster than that, we should use the roadway.
 
Another thing I've noticed on Walnut, and at the fancy new intersections, is that bikes and peds don't strictly follow the lines painted for them. Bikes and peds use each other's crosswalks, and travel in both directions on both the sidewalk and side path. If we're going to build more of these, we might as well accept that and make them Class I multi-use paths. The attempts at bike-ped separation don't work.
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 11:25 AM Greg Vicksell <vicksell@...> wrote:
I was really surprised when Fremont made these changes. As already stated, you are not required to take the path up onto the islands. You still have the right to remain on the road like the motor vehicles. The other aspect of this is if you come down the path on Walnut from Mission towards Fremont you are going to be crossing a lot of driveways and cars coming out of the parking lots probably aren't going to be looking for you. I find it safer to stay on the road.

Greg Vicksell

On 8/12/2021 11:06 AM, Andrew Sass via groups.io wrote:
Three more near misses that I have seen (one being me, even with a bright rear light and front light with side flashers). �I have also seen one with a car leaving that apartment complex and pulling up to where they can see oncoming traffic and almost hitting a bike, and a car/bus near miss as the bus just stops in the street as there is no pullout for the bus stop.
 
The problem is worst when the light is green to begin with. �The cyclist pulls up onto the sidewalk and the car does not expect them to pop out again when the car turns. �It is safer for cyclists just to go straight and take the lane when on Paseo. �At least they are seen. �It would be much better if the curb was back 4 feet to safely go straight
 
While I am venting, those islands that are in the bike lane on Washington Blvd are also an accident waiting to happen. �Cyclists, even novice ones travel fast on the downhill and hitting those are certain broken bones, or worse.
 
There should be a moratorium on any more street changes until some statistics and feedback are examined
 
Andy Sass
 
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 09:54:49 AM PDT, Vinnie Bacon <vbacon@...> wrote: 
 
 
You should send this to Hans Larsen at Fremont�s DPW. Hans is very good with bike issues but he�s not perfect. I was just commenting last night that I don�t like how bikes go up on the sidewalk on Walnut.
�
Another big issue is the nice wide right turn lanes for bikes look like they could be for cars. The initial design at Civic Center / BART Way was like that, and the City had to redo it. I saw the new configuration at Mowry / Fremont and my first thought was those right turn lanes would be too small for a lot of vehicles, not even realizing they are not for vehicles. Motorists will be confused too unless they paint them bright green.
�
Vinnie Bacon
�
From: info@ffbc.groups.io <info@ffbc.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim OHara
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 9:32 AM
To: info@ffbc.groups.io
Subject: [public info] Wide Corners at Walnut
�
All,
�
Please be careful when crossing Walnut after going up the green bike path on the sidewalk.� On three occasions now I have almost seen bike riders get hit when they have the green light and they advance just as a car sweeps around�the wide corner.� I don't really blame the cars, because it is just sooo weird, that the�corner juts�out so far.� I just don't want anybody getting hurt.� So be careful and watch�for the cars coming around the corner.�
�
Tim
 
 
 
 
 
 
 





--
Mark


Re: Wide Corners at Walnut

Gayle Tupper <gayletupper@...>
 

Slowing traffic may be an explicit goal, but what about discouraging traffic?  I live east of Mission between Mowry and Walnut, and now avoid driving on Walnut due to the new bike lanes and particularly the bulb-outs at the intersections.  It’s really an unpleasant drive.

I also avoid Walnut as a cyclist.  The eastbound lanes have dappled light from the trees, the lane goes from raised/along the sidewalk, to finding the way through the intersection, and back to the next shade-hidden path.  The westbound lane is easily confused between bike lane and sidewalk, and figuring out where to be isn’t worth it.

I hope that the City is continuing to study the impacts and input from the Walnut construction before expanding this type of bicycle access elsewhere in Fremont.  It would be tremendously expensive (and frustrating!) to realize later that some elements of this construction do not work well here.

On a related note, from what I can tell, the green paint used here and elsewhere, while helpful visually, is also acrylic, which is a type of plastic,  As that plastic degrades, it will contribute more micro plastics to the stormwater system.  Does the City of Fremont have storm drain inlet treatment in all areas where these lanes will be releasing pollutants?  Are the City of Fremont’s stormwater staff aware of this and working on minimizing the release of these pollutants?  Who should we contact about this?

Gayle Tupper

On Aug 13, 2021, at 12:08 PM, mdavis94536 <mark@...> wrote:

It should be noted (as perhaps some are implying) that slowing down traffic is an explicit goal.

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 10:29 AM Marie Hughes <macmadame@...> wrote:
The NextDoor complaints? They make people slow down. Apparently, they don’t like that. :D

There are also comments as to how the streets are going to be kept clean now as noted here.

I’m not a fan of them, myself, but for other reasons. They make it harder to see cyclists in the bike lane when I’m driving and also I feel trapped when I’m riding there. 

Marie

On Aug 13, 2021, at 9:23 AM, vbacon@... wrote:

The complaints about the bollards are so absurd. Do they ruin the view of the lovely asphalt?
 
Vinnie Bacon
p: 510-796-8870
 
From: Marie Hughes <macmadame@...> 
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 9:16 AM
To: Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...>
Cc: Michael Graff <michael.graff@...>; Andrew Sass <andrew.sass@...>; FFBC IO List <info@ffbc.groups.io>; Greg Vicksell <vicksell@...>; Tim OHara <timorides2@...>; Vinnie Bacon <vbacon@...>; hlarsen@...
Subject: Re: [public info] Wide Corners at Walnut
 
The green bollards aren’t popular with the motorist who post on NextDoor. They bitch about them constantly!
 
Marie


On Aug 13, 2021, at 3:09 AM, Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...> wrote:
 
The green bollards are popular with everyone as far as I know.
 
As for a solution for avid cyclists on Walnut - it already exists: ride in the car lane like we do on every other road without a shoulder. I say this somewhat facetiously, but I've actually had people ride with me on the road while I'm on the path while we held a conversation. I can't say I recommend it.
 
Just like an otherwise safe highway isn't safe for a car going 150mph, the sharper turns on Walnut are designed for speeds slower than we might do otherwise. I think more can be done to slow cars down as they turn, either with signage or some traffic engineering magic like rumble strips or narrower lanes or something like that.

 

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 23:06 Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
We already have a full-width trail on both sides of Walnut. But it’s split into a bike half and a ped half. It was a noble idea, but it doesn’t work as well as one wide path. (I’m guessing the existing trees were a constraint in some sections.)
 
Meanwhile, we still need a cheap/easy solution for restoring “avid” cycling to Walnut. I saw a vote against sharrows, so it sounds like converting the #2 lane into a traditional Class II bike lane would be preferred.
 
How do people feel about the green plastic bollards? Is that usable for faster cycling, or is that too constraining?
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 9:07 PM Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...> wrote:
Michael, you are totally right that just making a bunch of rules will not be effective in separating bikes and pedestrians. However, I think the only reason the Alameda Creek Trail works where it does is because there are no intersections with roads. An Alameda Creek–width trail on both sides of Walnut would be great, but likely unfeasible. If people are complaining about these new intersections now, just wait until there is a full-width trail that has on- and off-ramps at every intersection. At that point it would just be easier to close Walnut to cars altogether... but I digress.
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 13:13 Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
Your sister sounds like the ideal customer for the new bikeways.
 
Rather than treating bike-ped mixing as a problem on the side paths, we should expect it and design for it. Adding more rules, and attempting to separate bikes and peds, is futile. Especially at the intersections.
 
Instead of two narrow adjacent crosswalks, make one big one. Instead of a narrow sidewalk + narrow side path, make one wide one. Instead of hoping for one-way bike traffic, assume two-way traffic.
 
In other words, make Walnut work more like the Alameda Creek Trail. One wide space (on each side of the road) that everybody negotiates with each other.
 
Oh, and can some of the trees be trimmed? I keep having to duck under the low hanging branches.
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 12:08 PM Daniel Karpelevitch <daniel@...> wrote:
Michael, you make great points. 
 
My 13-year-old sister just started riding bikes and will be riding to high school in a few weeks. Our route is from Mission/Walnut all the way down Walnut to Fremont Blvd, then north on Fremont to Washington High School. 
 
My sister averages around 8-10 mph. She absolutely does not feel safe riding on unprotected bike lanes. The only reason she will be riding to school this year is because of the new bike path on Walnut and the bollard-protected bike lanes everywhere else she is riding. 
 
I know the club riders are much faster on average, but I think it is important to realize that that bike path and the new intersections weren't built for the "avid cyclist." If we want cycling to grow and make Fremont less car-centric, this is a sacrifice we must be willing to make. There are still plenty of alternate routes that do not have any of these new designs.
 
I agree that pedestrians on the bike path and in the intersections are a problem. I think more signage making clear where each should go would help, as well as some sort of separators (the small white flexible bollards come to mind). 
 
What does confuse me is the new intersections design popping up without the accompanying bike paths around them, such as at Fremont/Stevenson and Fremont/Mowry. Hopefully the surrounding infrastructure will be built shortly after, otherwise I do not see the purpose.
 
Respectfully,
Daniel
 
 
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 11:45 Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
The new side paths and intersections are designed for slower cycling, 10-12 mph max. If I rIde them at that speed, I can generally avoid right-hook and drive-out collisions with motorists, and conflicts with pedestrians.
 
Faster than that, we should use the roadway.
 
Another thing I've noticed on Walnut, and at the fancy new intersections, is that bikes and peds don't strictly follow the lines painted for them. Bikes and peds use each other's crosswalks, and travel in both directions on both the sidewalk and side path. If we're going to build more of these, we might as well accept that and make them Class I multi-use paths. The attempts at bike-ped separation don't work.
 
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 11:25 AM Greg Vicksell <vicksell@...> wrote:
I was really surprised when Fremont made these changes. As already stated, you are not required to take the path up onto the islands. You still have the right to remain on the road like the motor vehicles. The other aspect of this is if you come down the path on Walnut from Mission towards Fremont you are going to be crossing a lot of driveways and cars coming out of the parking lots probably aren't going to be looking for you. I find it safer to stay on the road.

Greg Vicksell

On 8/12/2021 11:06 AM, Andrew Sass via groups.io wrote:
Three more near misses that I have seen (one being me, even with a bright rear light and front light with side flashers). �I have also seen one with a car leaving that apartment complex and pulling up to where they can see oncoming traffic and almost hitting a bike, and a car/bus near miss as the bus just stops in the street as there is no pullout for the bus stop.
 
The problem is worst when the light is green to begin with. �The cyclist pulls up onto the sidewalk and the car does not expect them to pop out again when the car turns. �It is safer for cyclists just to go straight and take the lane when on Paseo. �At least they are seen. �It would be much better if the curb was back 4 feet to safely go straight
 
While I am venting, those islands that are in the bike lane on Washington Blvd are also an accident waiting to happen. �Cyclists, even novice ones travel fast on the downhill and hitting those are certain broken bones, or worse.
 
There should be a moratorium on any more street changes until some statistics and feedback are examined
 
Andy Sass
 
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 09:54:49 AM PDT, Vinnie Bacon <vbacon@...> wrote: 
 
 
You should send this to Hans Larsen at Fremont�s DPW. Hans is very good with bike issues but he�s not perfect. I was just commenting last night that I don�t like how bikes go up on the sidewalk on Walnut.
�
Another big issue is the nice wide right turn lanes for bikes look like they could be for cars. The initial design at Civic Center / BART Way was like that, and the City had to redo it. I saw the new configuration at Mowry / Fremont and my first thought was those right turn lanes would be too small for a lot of vehicles, not even realizing they are not for vehicles. Motorists will be confused too unless they paint them bright green.
�
Vinnie Bacon
�
From: info@ffbc.groups.io <info@ffbc.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim OHara
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 9:32 AM
To: info@ffbc.groups.io
Subject: [public info] Wide Corners at Walnut
�
All,
�
Please be careful when crossing Walnut after going up the green bike path on the sidewalk.� On three occasions now I have almost seen bike riders get hit when they have the green light and they advance just as a car sweeps around�the wide corner.� I don't really blame the cars, because it is just sooo weird, that the�corner juts�out so far.� I just don't want anybody getting hurt.� So be careful and watch�for the cars coming around the corner.�
�
Tim
 
 
 
 
 
 
 





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Mark

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