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moderated Interest in After Thanksgiving ride on Friday, the Monterey Peninsula loop to Point Lobos, posted on Facebook

Wynn
 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/129389617321/?ref=bookmarks

Are you interested in doing the After Thanksgiving day ride on Friday around the Monterey Peninsula to Point Lobos and back? That would be on Friday with a 9:30 start in Pacific Grove. We can have a meal afterwards at Fishwife Restaurant on the Asilomar instead of Phils. With enough people responding, I will lead this scenic ride. Basically the same optimized ride I used to lead many times years back. Please respond here and I will gauge the results on Thursday the 8th to lead it or not.  Post either here or on facebook, not both please.

Thanx,

Wynn


moderated Reminder, Team Fremont Voler order window closes on Monday, Nov 12 at 11:59pm

West Kurihara
 


Just a reminder, the Team Fremont Voler Web order window closes on Monday, Nov 12 at 11:59pm.


Orders received by the closing date will be shipped on or before Jan 4, 2019.

This order is open to all Team Fremont and FFBC club members.

Regards,

West Kurihara
Race Team Liason

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moderated 1st Saturday of the Month - M

Donna Luporini Kaplan
 

Hello fellow cyclists,

I hope you can join us on the 1st Saturday of the Month ride tomorrow. As you’ve probably heard, we still cannot do the traditional Calaveras Clockwise ride, so we will ride down to (and through) Alum Rock Park, go up Miguelita, and head over to the Milpitas Noah’s/Starbucks for coffee and a snack.

See you tomorrow!

Donna Kaplan

 

Calaveras Clockwise

When     Sat, November 3, 8:30am – 1:00pm

Where    Downtown Niles parking lot across from H St at Niles Blvd (map)

Description   Length: 46 miles; Elevation: 2117 feet Terrain: 3; Pace: M

 

Meet at 8:30 for an 8:45 start. This is our traditional "1st Saturday of the Month" ride. However, due to the continued closure of Calaveras Road, we will ride to Alum Rock Park instead. The route will still bring us out into Milpitas, and we will still return via a route that stays close to the hills. Bring $$ for a coffee stop at Noah's/Starbucks in Milpitas. Rain or serious threat of rain cancels.

RideWithGPS URL: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/19255990


Donna Kaplan: luporini@..., (415) 584-7621

Mike Brasseur; mbrasseur00@..., 510-449-6233


moderated Sat Brisk First Ride of the Month

Tim OHara
 

Since Calv is still closed :-(  We will can do Alum Rock again.  If the group likes we can do it in the other direction (Up Mt Ham) and then down into the park.

Tim and Robin on the tandem


moderated FFBC 2018 Holiday Party: Save the Date!

Becky Smith
 

Hello FFBC club members!

 

After a wonderful year of riding together as a club, it’s time to celebrate the Holiday Season together. There will be a choice of appetizers and entrees that should satisfy all tastes, including vegetarian choices, followed by dessert. This year we will have entertainment provided by club members, as well as a couple surprises to add to the holiday cheer! Come with an appetite and a smile! The details are as follows:

 

WHEN:

Sunday, December 2, 2018, 4-9 PM

 

WHERE:

Massimo’s Restaurant, 5200 Mowry Ave., Fremont, CA

 

COST:

Members $25/Non-members $35 which includes two non-alcoholic beverages like sodas.

 

OR:

 

Members $35/Non-members $45 which includes two alcoholic beverages like house wine or beer.

A link to RSVP and make payment will be forthcoming. In the meantime, if you have questions, please contact the following:

 

 

Randy Fewel (jailteacher@...) - Dining Facilities and Menu

Diana Tashjian (diana@...) - Ticket Sales, A/V, and Entertainment

Becky Smith (metalcowgurl@...) - Decorations and Entertainment


moderated Route Change? - Thursday Morning Coffee Ride

Lori Sommer
 

Hello Thursday Coffee Riders,
Tomorrow the calendar says we are meeting at REI and heading to Alum Rock, but I am going to be a bit whimsical (allowed per the ride post) and suggest we go somewhere else...Sandy Wool Lake.  We will talk tomorrow.  Hope to see you there!
Lori

Thursday, November 1
9:00am
 
WhenThu, November 1, 9am – 1pm
WhereREI, 43962 Fremont Blvd, Fremont, CA 94538, USA (map)
DescriptionLength: 34 miles
Terrain: 2, 3; Pace: T, M

Sleep in!  We are back to the regular 9AM start.  We are riding to Alum Rock. Since REI isn't open use the facilities at Starbucks or wait until we reach the Jose Higuera Adobe in Milpitas. 

We will ride along the foothills and once we get into the park, there are options to head straight to the Visitor's Center or climb the Inspiration Loop and/or Miguelita Road. Also, you don't have to go all the way to the park...you can turn early to coffee to reduce milage significantly. If you are a slow climber, but want to do the extra climbing, please be considerate of the group and turn around when you see the faster riders returning OR bring yourself to coffee on your own. 

We will have lunch at Noah's Bagels/Starbucks ($) before heading back on a flat route, with no regroups. 

Extreme temperatures, park closure, construction or the whim of the ride leader may modify the route. Rain cancels, check https://ffbc.groups.io/g/info/topics, email or text me. 

Lori Sommer: lorimsommer@..., 510-693-8624
     


moderated 2019 Voler Ordering Process Summary

West Kurihara
 


Hello everyone,

Voler Team Fremont Store link:

Monday night, our Voler reps brought out all the sizing samples for the 2019 clothing line up and spent time presenting the differences and answering our questions.  We had plenty of time for people to try on samples for fitting.  With all the lines and ordering options available such Race vs Club fit, I think they have sizing solutions to accommodate most body styles to your satisfaction.

The Team Store is currently open for orders and closes at the end of day, Monday, Nov 12 for the first order.  The total quantity of items in this first order will fix our pricing for the rest of 2019.

Everyone who places an individual order must establish an account if you do not currently have one.  You will have three shipping options, 

1.  Ship to home address via UPS ground
2. Ship to coordinator
3. Ship to home address via US Postal Service

If you are only ordering a few items, the ship to coordinator option is usually the least expensive.  USPS is the next most economical option but is not insured.  UPS ground is the most expensive option but is insured.  You can simply play with the choices to see the cost of each.

If you choose the "ship to Coordinator" option, I will happily receive you items and arrange for time for pickup.

If you have general questions on fit, materials or ordering options, you can ask our Voler Reps directly:

Linda or John Elgart
elgart@...
elgarts@...
Representing Voler Apparel 
"Still made in the USA"
916-595-2553 Linda
916-595-2551 John
And of course general questions or issues I may also be able to answer or get answers.

A few club members asked me about the design as they have not seen the Team Fremont Kit.  The design is show here from our facebook page:


Questions?  Please ask.

Regards,

West Kurihara
Race Team Liason
Team Clothing coordinator

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moderated 2018 Donation to Palomares School....

Jay Gilson
 

During the process of getting the necessary permits for the 2019 Primavera, I had a discussion with the EBRPD park supervisor for the Alameda Creek Trail.  It turns out he is the treasurer for the Palomares school booster committee and he wanted to talk about the donation that FFBC made.  The upshot is the boosters were very appreciative of the unsolicited donation FFBC made to the school.  From the ensuing conversation I believe that a great deal of goodwill was generated by making a donation.  

I commend Andy Sass for thinking of this approach.  I also think that as a bicycle club, whatever we can do to be considerate when ride Palomares (whether riding single file, not gathering by the guard rail at the summit and not littering), it is in our best interest.  

Kudos to the club!

Jay Gilson


moderated Mid-Week Morning Ride 10/31/18

Al Quintana
 

On the FFBC Ride Calendar the start location for tomorrow's Mid-Week Morning Ride is listed as downtown Niles. That is incorrect. The start location is in Newark near Sprouts Supermarket. Therefore, the correct ride listing should read:

Mid-week Morning Ride
WhenWed, October 31, 8:30am – 12:30pm
WhereMeet near the Sprouts Farmers Market at Jarvis Ave & Newark Blvd (Newark). (map)
DescriptionLength: 35-45 miles
Terrain: 2, 3; Pace: M, B

Meet at 8:30 for an 8:45 start.  Ride across the Dumbarton Bridge to a destination on the Peninsula. This will be a fun ride en route to a coffee/snack stop, so bring $$.


Al Quintana: alanq44@..., 510-760-9245

Hope to see you tomorrow!!

Al

"You don't stop playing because you get old. You get old because you stop playing."


moderated Re: November Ride Calendar

Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...>
 

Additional thanks to Robin O'Hara, Louis Friedenberg and Diana Tashjian for stepping up.  The November ride calendar is now complete!

Dennis Dong

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:23 PM Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:
Greetings members! 
The holiday season is closing in on us!  Things to note:
1)  For those of you who have the Cycliq Fly12 and/or Fly6 cameras, there is a town hall meeting on Nov 1st at the Castro Valley Library (3600 Nobridge Rd, CV) from 6:30-8:30 pm.  This will be a round table discussion regarding the use of video footage and prosecution of suspects in assaults and drivers in accidents, questions and/or issues with the camera systems, etc.  
2)  The opening of Calaveras Road is once again delayed
3)  Starting Nov 17th, a section of Morrison Canyon Rd will be closed to vehicular traffic but open to pedestrian and cyclists (according to an East Bay Times article)

It's that time again to ask for members to take up the role as ride leaders for the rides needing one.  I need ride leaders for the following rides:

SUNDAY, 11/26 : Women's Social Ride
MONDAY : MMRR

Will the existing ride leaders please check the calendar for any needed corrections/additions and let me know. 

Thanks and ride safe, 
Dennis Dong
Ride Coordinator


moderated Tuesday Tour de Hills M PACE #RideChange

Amy
 

Tuesday M Pace will meet at 8:45am, Old Mission Park (entrance on Ibero), for a 5th Tuesday of the Month Adventure Ride to Grant Ranch.  Come prepared for a 47mile, >3000ft ride.  We will stop at Grant Ranch (mile 24) to refresh - bring your own snack!  Water/Bathrooms at 9 and 24 miles.  Coffee/Food/Bathrooms at 40 miles. 

Should you wish to cut the ride short, start at Jose Higuera - we should go by approximately 9:30am - let me know if we should look for you.  

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28809977

Tom and Amy G
510-209-5764, 510-224-0829


moderated Re: November Ride Calendar

Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...>
 

Update to the November Calendar

Rob Tashjian stepped up to the lead the November Monday MMRR rides on the 5th, 12th and 19th.  I still need a ride leader for the Monday MMRR on the 26th.  

I also need a ride leader for the Women's Sunday Social Ride on the 25th.  

Thanks and ride safe.
Dennis Dong

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:23 PM Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:
Greetings members! 
The holiday season is closing in on us!  Things to note:
1)  For those of you who have the Cycliq Fly12 and/or Fly6 cameras, there is a town hall meeting on Nov 1st at the Castro Valley Library (3600 Nobridge Rd, CV) from 6:30-8:30 pm.  This will be a round table discussion regarding the use of video footage and prosecution of suspects in assaults and drivers in accidents, questions and/or issues with the camera systems, etc.  
2)  The opening of Calaveras Road is once again delayed
3)  Starting Nov 17th, a section of Morrison Canyon Rd will be closed to vehicular traffic but open to pedestrian and cyclists (according to an East Bay Times article)

It's that time again to ask for members to take up the role as ride leaders for the rides needing one.  I need ride leaders for the following rides:

SUNDAY, 11/26 : Women's Social Ride
MONDAY : MMRR

Will the existing ride leaders please check the calendar for any needed corrections/additions and let me know. 

Thanks and ride safe, 
Dennis Dong
Ride Coordinator


moderated Re: November Ride Calendar

Andrew Sass
 

The road never looked so good.  Alameda County portion has been completely repaved and they are finishing striping today.  Smooth fresh pavement!

It was posted as being closed to November 2, so there is a good possibility it will be open for our first Saturday of the month Calaveras ride.

Andy

On Saturday, October 27, 2018, 7:33:23 AM PDT, Ken Goldman <ken.goldman@...> wrote:


Yes, from the south you can get to the fence at the False Summit. Club ride going there today.

Ken


On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:53 PM, Tim Wong <mistertimwong@...> wrote:

Thanks for the info, Dennis.

Does anyone know if Calaveras is still open for cyclists from the south side up until the reservoir?

Thanks,
Tim

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:23 PM Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:
Greetings members! 
The holiday season is closing in on us!  Things to note:
1)  For those of you who have the Cycliq Fly12 and/or Fly6 cameras, there is a town hall meeting on Nov 1st at the Castro Valley Library (3600 Nobridge Rd, CV) from 6:30-8:30 pm.  This will be a round table discussion regarding the use of video footage and prosecution of suspects in assaults and drivers in accidents, questions and/or issues with the camera systems, etc.  
2)  The opening of Calaveras Road is once again delayed
3)  Starting Nov 17th, a section of Morrison Canyon Rd will be closed to vehicular traffic but open to pedestrian and cyclists (according to an East Bay Times article)

It's that time again to ask for members to take up the role as ride leaders for the rides needing one.  I need ride leaders for the following rides:

SUNDAY, 11/26 : Women's Social Ride
MONDAY : MMRR

Will the existing ride leaders please check the calendar for any needed corrections/additions and let me know. 

Thanks and ride safe, 
Dennis Dong
Ride Coordinator


moderated SHORT NOTICE RIDE: Sunday 8:00 Mt. Diablo Metric

Colin Moy
 

Anyone interested in quick jaunt up Mt. Diablo, meet at NORTH parking lot of Pleasanton BART 0800 hours (8:15 rolling) and coffee/pastry at Denica Livermore.


Please RSVP so I know to wait for you.


Colin

510-690-7749 cell


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Date: October 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM
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moderated Re: November Ride Calendar

Amy
 

South to the false summit!  Still open!

Amy

On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:53 PM, Tim Wong <mistertimwong@...> wrote:

Thanks for the info, Dennis.

Does anyone know if Calaveras is still open for cyclists from the south side up until the reservoir?

Thanks,
Tim

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:23 PM Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:
Greetings members! 
The holiday season is closing in on us!  Things to note:
1)  For those of you who have the Cycliq Fly12 and/or Fly6 cameras, there is a town hall meeting on Nov 1st at the Castro Valley Library (3600 Nobridge Rd, CV) from 6:30-8:30 pm.  This will be a round table discussion regarding the use of video footage and prosecution of suspects in assaults and drivers in accidents, questions and/or issues with the camera systems, etc.  
2)  The opening of Calaveras Road is once again delayed
3)  Starting Nov 17th, a section of Morrison Canyon Rd will be closed to vehicular traffic but open to pedestrian and cyclists (according to an East Bay Times article)

It's that time again to ask for members to take up the role as ride leaders for the rides needing one.  I need ride leaders for the following rides:

SUNDAY, 11/26 : Women's Social Ride
MONDAY : MMRR

Will the existing ride leaders please check the calendar for any needed corrections/additions and let me know. 

Thanks and ride safe, 
Dennis Dong
Ride Coordinator


moderated Re: November Ride Calendar

Ken Goldman
 

Yes, from the south you can get to the fence at the False Summit. Club ride going there today.

Ken


On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:53 PM, Tim Wong <mistertimwong@...> wrote:

Thanks for the info, Dennis.

Does anyone know if Calaveras is still open for cyclists from the south side up until the reservoir?

Thanks,
Tim

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:23 PM Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:
Greetings members! 
The holiday season is closing in on us!  Things to note:
1)  For those of you who have the Cycliq Fly12 and/or Fly6 cameras, there is a town hall meeting on Nov 1st at the Castro Valley Library (3600 Nobridge Rd, CV) from 6:30-8:30 pm.  This will be a round table discussion regarding the use of video footage and prosecution of suspects in assaults and drivers in accidents, questions and/or issues with the camera systems, etc.  
2)  The opening of Calaveras Road is once again delayed
3)  Starting Nov 17th, a section of Morrison Canyon Rd will be closed to vehicular traffic but open to pedestrian and cyclists (according to an East Bay Times article)

It's that time again to ask for members to take up the role as ride leaders for the rides needing one.  I need ride leaders for the following rides:

SUNDAY, 11/26 : Women's Social Ride
MONDAY : MMRR

Will the existing ride leaders please check the calendar for any needed corrections/additions and let me know. 

Thanks and ride safe, 
Dennis Dong
Ride Coordinator


moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Tony DD
 

I thought so but, I wasn't in the position to argue.
I saw a couple riding casually in the blocked street  right before I entered so, i assumed it was ok for cyclists.

On Friday, October 26, 2018, 11:06:57 PM PDT, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:


Well the police officer was wrong in stating that a bike is a vehicle.

But s/he may have been correct in blocking access. Depends on what the ordinance/resolution for the parade states. Once a street is officially closed, CVC effectively no longer applies. 

Practically speaking, parades and other special events are highly stressful for police. I’d cut them some slack, there. 


On Oct 26, 2018, at 22:13, Tony DD via Groups.Io <iamhippo@...> wrote:

I guess it depends on what and how its posted?
I rode in the zone that was blocked for the Fremont parade and the Fremont PD threatened to give me a ticket saying the street was blocked for all vehicles and stated the bike is a vehicle. This was at the corner of the Stevenson/Paseo Padre by the Fremont library this year. 
I was only trying to get home.





On Friday, October 26, 2018, 9:35:55 PM PDT, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:


If the sign says that the roads is closed to “vehicles”, but doesn’t mention bicycles, it’s open to bicycles. Because bicycles aren’t vehicles in California.

That was the original question being asked.

That said, the sign could be wrong. I haven’t read the text of the actual ordinance for the road closure.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 21:07, Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:

I'm not sure what this discussion turned into.  Yes, a bicycle is not a motor vehicle, but under CA VC 21200(a), a cyclist has to follow the rules of the road (including stop signs)

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 20:58 Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:
They are not Motor Vehicles. Bicycles are regulated in California under the Vehicle Code

On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:

Bicycles are not vehicles.
This is why municipalities have to explicitly forbid sidewalk riding by ordinance. CVC 21663 does not apply to bicycles.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 13:24, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Andreas Kadavanich
 

Well the police officer was wrong in stating that a bike is a vehicle.

But s/he may have been correct in blocking access. Depends on what the ordinance/resolution for the parade states. Once a street is officially closed, CVC effectively no longer applies. 

Practically speaking, parades and other special events are highly stressful for police. I’d cut them some slack, there. 


On Oct 26, 2018, at 22:13, Tony DD via Groups.Io <iamhippo@...> wrote:

I guess it depends on what and how its posted?
I rode in the zone that was blocked for the Fremont parade and the Fremont PD threatened to give me a ticket saying the street was blocked for all vehicles and stated the bike is a vehicle. This was at the corner of the Stevenson/Paseo Padre by the Fremont library this year. 
I was only trying to get home.





On Friday, October 26, 2018, 9:35:55 PM PDT, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:


If the sign says that the roads is closed to “vehicles”, but doesn’t mention bicycles, it’s open to bicycles. Because bicycles aren’t vehicles in California.

That was the original question being asked.

That said, the sign could be wrong. I haven’t read the text of the actual ordinance for the road closure.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 21:07, Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:

I'm not sure what this discussion turned into.  Yes, a bicycle is not a motor vehicle, but under CA VC 21200(a), a cyclist has to follow the rules of the road (including stop signs)

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 20:58 Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:
They are not Motor Vehicles. Bicycles are regulated in California under the Vehicle Code

On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:

Bicycles are not vehicles.
This is why municipalities have to explicitly forbid sidewalk riding by ordinance. CVC 21663 does not apply to bicycles.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 13:24, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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moderated Re: November Ride Calendar

Tim Wong
 

Thanks for the info, Dennis.

Does anyone know if Calaveras is still open for cyclists from the south side up until the reservoir?

Thanks,
Tim

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:23 PM Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:
Greetings members! 
The holiday season is closing in on us!  Things to note:
1)  For those of you who have the Cycliq Fly12 and/or Fly6 cameras, there is a town hall meeting on Nov 1st at the Castro Valley Library (3600 Nobridge Rd, CV) from 6:30-8:30 pm.  This will be a round table discussion regarding the use of video footage and prosecution of suspects in assaults and drivers in accidents, questions and/or issues with the camera systems, etc.  
2)  The opening of Calaveras Road is once again delayed
3)  Starting Nov 17th, a section of Morrison Canyon Rd will be closed to vehicular traffic but open to pedestrian and cyclists (according to an East Bay Times article)

It's that time again to ask for members to take up the role as ride leaders for the rides needing one.  I need ride leaders for the following rides:

SUNDAY, 11/26 : Women's Social Ride
MONDAY : MMRR

Will the existing ride leaders please check the calendar for any needed corrections/additions and let me know. 

Thanks and ride safe, 
Dennis Dong
Ride Coordinator


moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Andreas Kadavanich
 

Draft resolution that went to City Council:

This specifies “motorized vehicles” per CVC 415, so assuming the draft was approved without amendment, this excludes bicycles and motorized wheelchairs (and horse-drawn carriages).
“Low speed” (presumably that means class 1 & 2) pedal-assisted electric bicycles are explicitly exempt from the closure as well.

So the sign is wrong, and they really mean motor vehicles. The permanent signs will presumably fix this.

There’s also a map that shows the affected section

And yes, CVC 21200 still applies while riding on the closed section.

On Oct 26, 2018, at 22:01, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

It's true that bicycles (in California) are "devices" rather than vehicles. But at the same time, 21200 says "A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

So if a sign says "no vehicles", is that "applicable" here? That's the ambiguity.

I suspect what they really mean is no *motor* vehicles.

Yeah, it's pedantic, until a police officer issues a ticket to a cyclist for violating 21200.





On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 9:35 PM Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:
If the sign says that the roads is closed to “vehicles”, but doesn’t mention bicycles, it’s open to bicycles. Because bicycles aren’t vehicles in California.

That was the original question being asked.

That said, the sign could be wrong. I haven’t read the text of the actual ordinance for the road closure.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 21:07, Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:

I'm not sure what this discussion turned into.  Yes, a bicycle is not a motor vehicle, but under CA VC 21200(a), a cyclist has to follow the rules of the road (including stop signs)

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 20:58 Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:
They are not Motor Vehicles. Bicycles are regulated in California under the Vehicle Code

On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:

Bicycles are not vehicles.
This is why municipalities have to explicitly forbid sidewalk riding by ordinance. CVC 21663 does not apply to bicycles.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 13:24, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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