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moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Tony DD
 

I thought so but, I wasn't in the position to argue.
I saw a couple riding casually in the blocked street  right before I entered so, i assumed it was ok for cyclists.

On Friday, October 26, 2018, 11:06:57 PM PDT, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:


Well the police officer was wrong in stating that a bike is a vehicle.

But s/he may have been correct in blocking access. Depends on what the ordinance/resolution for the parade states. Once a street is officially closed, CVC effectively no longer applies. 

Practically speaking, parades and other special events are highly stressful for police. I’d cut them some slack, there. 


On Oct 26, 2018, at 22:13, Tony DD via Groups.Io <iamhippo@...> wrote:

I guess it depends on what and how its posted?
I rode in the zone that was blocked for the Fremont parade and the Fremont PD threatened to give me a ticket saying the street was blocked for all vehicles and stated the bike is a vehicle. This was at the corner of the Stevenson/Paseo Padre by the Fremont library this year. 
I was only trying to get home.





On Friday, October 26, 2018, 9:35:55 PM PDT, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:


If the sign says that the roads is closed to “vehicles”, but doesn’t mention bicycles, it’s open to bicycles. Because bicycles aren’t vehicles in California.

That was the original question being asked.

That said, the sign could be wrong. I haven’t read the text of the actual ordinance for the road closure.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 21:07, Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:

I'm not sure what this discussion turned into.  Yes, a bicycle is not a motor vehicle, but under CA VC 21200(a), a cyclist has to follow the rules of the road (including stop signs)

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 20:58 Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:
They are not Motor Vehicles. Bicycles are regulated in California under the Vehicle Code

On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:

Bicycles are not vehicles.
This is why municipalities have to explicitly forbid sidewalk riding by ordinance. CVC 21663 does not apply to bicycles.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 13:24, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Andreas Kadavanich
 

Well the police officer was wrong in stating that a bike is a vehicle.

But s/he may have been correct in blocking access. Depends on what the ordinance/resolution for the parade states. Once a street is officially closed, CVC effectively no longer applies. 

Practically speaking, parades and other special events are highly stressful for police. I’d cut them some slack, there. 


On Oct 26, 2018, at 22:13, Tony DD via Groups.Io <iamhippo@...> wrote:

I guess it depends on what and how its posted?
I rode in the zone that was blocked for the Fremont parade and the Fremont PD threatened to give me a ticket saying the street was blocked for all vehicles and stated the bike is a vehicle. This was at the corner of the Stevenson/Paseo Padre by the Fremont library this year. 
I was only trying to get home.





On Friday, October 26, 2018, 9:35:55 PM PDT, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:


If the sign says that the roads is closed to “vehicles”, but doesn’t mention bicycles, it’s open to bicycles. Because bicycles aren’t vehicles in California.

That was the original question being asked.

That said, the sign could be wrong. I haven’t read the text of the actual ordinance for the road closure.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 21:07, Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:

I'm not sure what this discussion turned into.  Yes, a bicycle is not a motor vehicle, but under CA VC 21200(a), a cyclist has to follow the rules of the road (including stop signs)

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 20:58 Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:
They are not Motor Vehicles. Bicycles are regulated in California under the Vehicle Code

On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:

Bicycles are not vehicles.
This is why municipalities have to explicitly forbid sidewalk riding by ordinance. CVC 21663 does not apply to bicycles.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 13:24, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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moderated Re: November Ride Calendar

Tim Wong <mistertimwong@...>
 

Thanks for the info, Dennis.

Does anyone know if Calaveras is still open for cyclists from the south side up until the reservoir?

Thanks,
Tim

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:23 PM Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:
Greetings members! 
The holiday season is closing in on us!  Things to note:
1)  For those of you who have the Cycliq Fly12 and/or Fly6 cameras, there is a town hall meeting on Nov 1st at the Castro Valley Library (3600 Nobridge Rd, CV) from 6:30-8:30 pm.  This will be a round table discussion regarding the use of video footage and prosecution of suspects in assaults and drivers in accidents, questions and/or issues with the camera systems, etc.  
2)  The opening of Calaveras Road is once again delayed
3)  Starting Nov 17th, a section of Morrison Canyon Rd will be closed to vehicular traffic but open to pedestrian and cyclists (according to an East Bay Times article)

It's that time again to ask for members to take up the role as ride leaders for the rides needing one.  I need ride leaders for the following rides:

SUNDAY, 11/26 : Women's Social Ride
MONDAY : MMRR

Will the existing ride leaders please check the calendar for any needed corrections/additions and let me know. 

Thanks and ride safe, 
Dennis Dong
Ride Coordinator


moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Andreas Kadavanich
 

Draft resolution that went to City Council:

This specifies “motorized vehicles” per CVC 415, so assuming the draft was approved without amendment, this excludes bicycles and motorized wheelchairs (and horse-drawn carriages).
“Low speed” (presumably that means class 1 & 2) pedal-assisted electric bicycles are explicitly exempt from the closure as well.

So the sign is wrong, and they really mean motor vehicles. The permanent signs will presumably fix this.

There’s also a map that shows the affected section

And yes, CVC 21200 still applies while riding on the closed section.

On Oct 26, 2018, at 22:01, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

It's true that bicycles (in California) are "devices" rather than vehicles. But at the same time, 21200 says "A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

So if a sign says "no vehicles", is that "applicable" here? That's the ambiguity.

I suspect what they really mean is no *motor* vehicles.

Yeah, it's pedantic, until a police officer issues a ticket to a cyclist for violating 21200.





On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 9:35 PM Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:
If the sign says that the roads is closed to “vehicles”, but doesn’t mention bicycles, it’s open to bicycles. Because bicycles aren’t vehicles in California.

That was the original question being asked.

That said, the sign could be wrong. I haven’t read the text of the actual ordinance for the road closure.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 21:07, Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:

I'm not sure what this discussion turned into.  Yes, a bicycle is not a motor vehicle, but under CA VC 21200(a), a cyclist has to follow the rules of the road (including stop signs)

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 20:58 Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:
They are not Motor Vehicles. Bicycles are regulated in California under the Vehicle Code

On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:

Bicycles are not vehicles.
This is why municipalities have to explicitly forbid sidewalk riding by ordinance. CVC 21663 does not apply to bicycles.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 13:24, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Tony DD
 

I've heard it for thru traffic, so, cars cannot access this road to get over to 680, due to the increase in cars and for the safety of pedestrians and cyclist??




On Friday, October 26, 2018, 2:03:20 PM PDT, Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:


I think this is happening because of conflicts with bicycles and walkers caused by the recent dramatic increase in commuter traffic being sent up Morrison and Vargas by the GPS tracking systems.  Hundreds of cars have been directed over this road in the afternoon commute leading to complaints.   Fremont City Council recently declared an unsafe condition on a 2-way road that is only nine feet wide in places.  This is an interim step pending more permanent legislation.  Closing the road will make it much nicer for people to ride and walk and to get to Vargas Plateau Regional Park.

Glenn Kirby

On Oct 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)
image1.jpeg

image2.jpeg


Randy. 


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moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Tony DD
 

I guess it depends on what and how its posted?
I rode in the zone that was blocked for the Fremont parade and the Fremont PD threatened to give me a ticket saying the street was blocked for all vehicles and stated the bike is a vehicle. This was at the corner of the Stevenson/Paseo Padre by the Fremont library this year. 
I was only trying to get home.





On Friday, October 26, 2018, 9:35:55 PM PDT, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:


If the sign says that the roads is closed to “vehicles”, but doesn’t mention bicycles, it’s open to bicycles. Because bicycles aren’t vehicles in California.

That was the original question being asked.

That said, the sign could be wrong. I haven’t read the text of the actual ordinance for the road closure.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 21:07, Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:

I'm not sure what this discussion turned into.  Yes, a bicycle is not a motor vehicle, but under CA VC 21200(a), a cyclist has to follow the rules of the road (including stop signs)

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 20:58 Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:
They are not Motor Vehicles. Bicycles are regulated in California under the Vehicle Code

On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:

Bicycles are not vehicles.
This is why municipalities have to explicitly forbid sidewalk riding by ordinance. CVC 21663 does not apply to bicycles.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 13:24, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Michael Graff
 

It's true that bicycles (in California) are "devices" rather than vehicles. But at the same time, 21200 says "A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

So if a sign says "no vehicles", is that "applicable" here? That's the ambiguity.

I suspect what they really mean is no *motor* vehicles.

Yeah, it's pedantic, until a police officer issues a ticket to a cyclist for violating 21200.





On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 9:35 PM Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:
If the sign says that the roads is closed to “vehicles”, but doesn’t mention bicycles, it’s open to bicycles. Because bicycles aren’t vehicles in California.

That was the original question being asked.

That said, the sign could be wrong. I haven’t read the text of the actual ordinance for the road closure.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 21:07, Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:

I'm not sure what this discussion turned into.  Yes, a bicycle is not a motor vehicle, but under CA VC 21200(a), a cyclist has to follow the rules of the road (including stop signs)

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 20:58 Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:
They are not Motor Vehicles. Bicycles are regulated in California under the Vehicle Code

On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:

Bicycles are not vehicles.
This is why municipalities have to explicitly forbid sidewalk riding by ordinance. CVC 21663 does not apply to bicycles.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 13:24, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Cyril Paul
 

Vinnie, 

Thank You!

Cyril

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 21:49 Vinnie Bacon <vbacon@... wrote:
The closure will be for one year.  The City will reassess after that.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:48 PM Cyril Paul <cpaul78@...> wrote:
Randy,

Is this temporary or forever? I have not been keeping up with this.  I am sure I am not alone.

Cyril

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 12:17 Randy Fewel <jailteacher@... wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)
image1.jpeg

image2.jpeg


Randy. 



--
Vinnie Bacon
e: vbacon@...
p: 510-796-8870


moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Vinnie Bacon
 

The closure will be for one year.  The City will reassess after that.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:48 PM Cyril Paul <cpaul78@...> wrote:
Randy,

Is this temporary or forever? I have not been keeping up with this.  I am sure I am not alone.

Cyril

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 12:17 Randy Fewel <jailteacher@... wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)
image1.jpeg

image2.jpeg


Randy. 



--
Vinnie Bacon
e: vbacon@...
p: 510-796-8870


moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Vinnie Bacon
 

I’m embarrassed that I don’t know for sure since I was at the City Council meeting.  I don’t recall bikes being discussed.  I do remember that the only physical barrier will be a few poles that bikes could easily get through.

I will verify with staff.

Vinnie

El oct. 26, 2018, a las 21:35, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> escribió:

If the sign says that the roads is closed to “vehicles”, but doesn’t mention bicycles, it’s open to bicycles. Because bicycles aren’t vehicles in California.

That was the original question being asked.

That said, the sign could be wrong. I haven’t read the text of the actual ordinance for the road closure.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 21:07, Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:

I'm not sure what this discussion turned into.  Yes, a bicycle is not a motor vehicle, but under CA VC 21200(a), a cyclist has to follow the rules of the road (including stop signs)

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 20:58 Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:
They are not Motor Vehicles. Bicycles are regulated in California under the Vehicle Code

On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:

Bicycles are not vehicles.
This is why municipalities have to explicitly forbid sidewalk riding by ordinance. CVC 21663 does not apply to bicycles.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 13:24, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Andreas Kadavanich
 

If the sign says that the roads is closed to “vehicles”, but doesn’t mention bicycles, it’s open to bicycles. Because bicycles aren’t vehicles in California.

That was the original question being asked.

That said, the sign could be wrong. I haven’t read the text of the actual ordinance for the road closure.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 21:07, Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:

I'm not sure what this discussion turned into.  Yes, a bicycle is not a motor vehicle, but under CA VC 21200(a), a cyclist has to follow the rules of the road (including stop signs)

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 20:58 Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:
They are not Motor Vehicles. Bicycles are regulated in California under the Vehicle Code

On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:

Bicycles are not vehicles.
This is why municipalities have to explicitly forbid sidewalk riding by ordinance. CVC 21663 does not apply to bicycles.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 13:24, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Andreas Kadavanich
 

They are regulated by the Vehicle Code (so are pedestrians), but they are not vehicles, since they are “moved exclusively by human power”. (OK, I sometimes get an assist by gravity, but that doesn’t seem to count.)

CVC 670. A “vehicle” is a device by which any person or property may be propelled, moved, or drawn upon a highway, excepting a device moved exclusively by human power or used exclusively upon stationary rails or tracks.

This is why CVC 21200 has to explicitly call out that cyclists have to abide by the same rules as vehicle operators. 




On Oct 26, 2018, at 20:58, Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:

They are not Motor Vehicles. Bicycles are regulated in California under the Vehicle Code

On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:

Bicycles are not vehicles.
This is why municipalities have to explicitly forbid sidewalk riding by ordinance. CVC 21663 does not apply to bicycles.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 13:24, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...>
 

I'm not sure what this discussion turned into.  Yes, a bicycle is not a motor vehicle, but under CA VC 21200(a), a cyclist has to follow the rules of the road (including stop signs)


On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 20:58 Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:
They are not Motor Vehicles. Bicycles are regulated in California under the Vehicle Code

On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:

Bicycles are not vehicles.
This is why municipalities have to explicitly forbid sidewalk riding by ordinance. CVC 21663 does not apply to bicycles.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 13:24, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Glenn Kirby
 

They are not Motor Vehicles. Bicycles are regulated in California under the Vehicle Code

On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:

Bicycles are not vehicles.
This is why municipalities have to explicitly forbid sidewalk riding by ordinance. CVC 21663 does not apply to bicycles.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 13:24, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Andreas Kadavanich
 

Bicycles are not vehicles.
This is why municipalities have to explicitly forbid sidewalk riding by ordinance. CVC 21663 does not apply to bicycles.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 13:24, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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moderated November Ride Calendar

Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...>
 

Greetings members! 
The holiday season is closing in on us!  Things to note:
1)  For those of you who have the Cycliq Fly12 and/or Fly6 cameras, there is a town hall meeting on Nov 1st at the Castro Valley Library (3600 Nobridge Rd, CV) from 6:30-8:30 pm.  This will be a round table discussion regarding the use of video footage and prosecution of suspects in assaults and drivers in accidents, questions and/or issues with the camera systems, etc.  
2)  The opening of Calaveras Road is once again delayed
3)  Starting Nov 17th, a section of Morrison Canyon Rd will be closed to vehicular traffic but open to pedestrian and cyclists (according to an East Bay Times article)

It's that time again to ask for members to take up the role as ride leaders for the rides needing one.  I need ride leaders for the following rides:

SUNDAY, 11/26 : Women's Social Ride
MONDAY : MMRR

Will the existing ride leaders please check the calendar for any needed corrections/additions and let me know. 

Thanks and ride safe, 
Dennis Dong
Ride Coordinator


moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...>
 

According to an article in the East Bay Times (dated June 26, 2018), the road will still be open to pedestrians and cyclists.  The City of Fremont is even thinking of putting up a gate to prevent vehicles from taking the shortcut to 680.  Here's the link to the article:


Dennis


On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Glenn Kirby
 

I think Niles Canyon would be a lovely bike path if they closed the highway and put gates on each end.  Like they do on Stroll & Roll.  But, then again, I’m retired and don’t have to commute

Glenn

On Oct 26, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Matt Kihlthau <mkihlthau@...> wrote:

Oh sorry. I misread which canyon is closing, haha. 

-Matt

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 3:04 PM Nick Laszlo <laszlonick@...> wrote:
“Devil’s in the details”, as usual.

On Oct 26, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

And you've probably seen the northbound 680 HOT lane under construction.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:57 PM Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
Niles Canyon isn't closing. Just part of Morrison Canyon that connects to Vargas.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:43 PM Matt Kihlthau <mkihlthau@...> wrote:
It looks like everyone’s commute is going to get even longer. 680 can’t handle the current amount of commute traffic and Niles Canyon helps relieve some of the pressure. Is there actually a plan to improve and reopen it?

Fremont keeps pushing back against using bypass roads including Niles Canyon, Paseo (added stop signs), and residentials near Mission Blvd. I get it for safety, but people need to get to work and get home after...with enough time to go ride their bikes!

The evening 880/680 backup in Fremont now extends past Miltpitas and into San Jose past 7:30pm regularly. We need a real solution, not simply forcing all cars onto the freeway to sit in gridlock.

-Matt Kihlthau

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:03 PM Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:
I think this is happening because of conflicts with bicycles and walkers caused by the recent dramatic increase in commuter traffic being sent up Morrison and Vargas by the GPS tracking systems.  Hundreds of cars have been directed over this road in the afternoon commute leading to complaints.   Fremont City Council recently declared an unsafe condition on a 2-way road that is only nine feet wide in places.  This is an interim step pending more permanent legislation.  Closing the road will make it much nicer for people to ride and walk and to get to Vargas Plateau Regional Park.

Glenn Kirby

On Oct 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)
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Randy. 


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moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Matt Kihlthau <mkihlthau@...>
 

Oh sorry. I misread which canyon is closing, haha. 

-Matt

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 3:04 PM Nick Laszlo <laszlonick@...> wrote:
“Devil’s in the details”, as usual.

On Oct 26, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

And you've probably seen the northbound 680 HOT lane under construction.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:57 PM Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
Niles Canyon isn't closing. Just part of Morrison Canyon that connects to Vargas.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:43 PM Matt Kihlthau <mkihlthau@...> wrote:
It looks like everyone’s commute is going to get even longer. 680 can’t handle the current amount of commute traffic and Niles Canyon helps relieve some of the pressure. Is there actually a plan to improve and reopen it?

Fremont keeps pushing back against using bypass roads including Niles Canyon, Paseo (added stop signs), and residentials near Mission Blvd. I get it for safety, but people need to get to work and get home after...with enough time to go ride their bikes!

The evening 880/680 backup in Fremont now extends past Miltpitas and into San Jose past 7:30pm regularly. We need a real solution, not simply forcing all cars onto the freeway to sit in gridlock.

-Matt Kihlthau

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:03 PM Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:
I think this is happening because of conflicts with bicycles and walkers caused by the recent dramatic increase in commuter traffic being sent up Morrison and Vargas by the GPS tracking systems.  Hundreds of cars have been directed over this road in the afternoon commute leading to complaints.   Fremont City Council recently declared an unsafe condition on a 2-way road that is only nine feet wide in places.  This is an interim step pending more permanent legislation.  Closing the road will make it much nicer for people to ride and walk and to get to Vargas Plateau Regional Park.

Glenn Kirby

On Oct 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)
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Randy. 


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moderated Re: Morrison Canyon

Nick Laszlo
 

“Devil’s in the details”, as usual.

On Oct 26, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

And you've probably seen the northbound 680 HOT lane under construction.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:57 PM Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
Niles Canyon isn't closing. Just part of Morrison Canyon that connects to Vargas.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:43 PM Matt Kihlthau <mkihlthau@...> wrote:
It looks like everyone’s commute is going to get even longer. 680 can’t handle the current amount of commute traffic and Niles Canyon helps relieve some of the pressure. Is there actually a plan to improve and reopen it?

Fremont keeps pushing back against using bypass roads including Niles Canyon, Paseo (added stop signs), and residentials near Mission Blvd. I get it for safety, but people need to get to work and get home after...with enough time to go ride their bikes!

The evening 880/680 backup in Fremont now extends past Miltpitas and into San Jose past 7:30pm regularly. We need a real solution, not simply forcing all cars onto the freeway to sit in gridlock.

-Matt Kihlthau

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:03 PM Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:
I think this is happening because of conflicts with bicycles and walkers caused by the recent dramatic increase in commuter traffic being sent up Morrison and Vargas by the GPS tracking systems.  Hundreds of cars have been directed over this road in the afternoon commute leading to complaints.   Fremont City Council recently declared an unsafe condition on a 2-way road that is only nine feet wide in places.  This is an interim step pending more permanent legislation.  Closing the road will make it much nicer for people to ride and walk and to get to Vargas Plateau Regional Park.

Glenn Kirby

On Oct 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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