moderated Re: Morrison Canyon


Andreas Kadavanich
 

Draft resolution that went to City Council:

This specifies “motorized vehicles” per CVC 415, so assuming the draft was approved without amendment, this excludes bicycles and motorized wheelchairs (and horse-drawn carriages).
“Low speed” (presumably that means class 1 & 2) pedal-assisted electric bicycles are explicitly exempt from the closure as well.

So the sign is wrong, and they really mean motor vehicles. The permanent signs will presumably fix this.

There’s also a map that shows the affected section

And yes, CVC 21200 still applies while riding on the closed section.

On Oct 26, 2018, at 22:01, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

It's true that bicycles (in California) are "devices" rather than vehicles. But at the same time, 21200 says "A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

So if a sign says "no vehicles", is that "applicable" here? That's the ambiguity.

I suspect what they really mean is no *motor* vehicles.

Yeah, it's pedantic, until a police officer issues a ticket to a cyclist for violating 21200.





On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 9:35 PM Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:
If the sign says that the roads is closed to “vehicles”, but doesn’t mention bicycles, it’s open to bicycles. Because bicycles aren’t vehicles in California.

That was the original question being asked.

That said, the sign could be wrong. I haven’t read the text of the actual ordinance for the road closure.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 21:07, Dennis Dong <ronincopp@...> wrote:

I'm not sure what this discussion turned into.  Yes, a bicycle is not a motor vehicle, but under CA VC 21200(a), a cyclist has to follow the rules of the road (including stop signs)

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 20:58 Glenn Kirby <gkirby@...> wrote:
They are not Motor Vehicles. Bicycles are regulated in California under the Vehicle Code

On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Andreas Kadavanich <andreas@...> wrote:

Bicycles are not vehicles.
This is why municipalities have to explicitly forbid sidewalk riding by ordinance. CVC 21663 does not apply to bicycles.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 13:24, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:

Are bicycles treated as vehicles in this case?


"A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle..."

Or is the road closed only to *motor* vehicles?

(Nextdoor says "The content you're looking for was posted in another neighborhood.")

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Randy Fewel <jailteacher@...> wrote:
From my Nextdoor feed:

Yay! It's happening!

Morrison Canyon Road will be closed to vehicles starting November 17th :-)




Randy. 


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